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	<title>Comments on: Labour got what it deserved – and so did the BNP</title>
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	<description>Independent Working Class Association: Working Class Rule in Working Class Areas</description>
	<pubDate>Wed,  8 Sep 2010 10:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://www.iwca.info/?p=10141#comment-5129</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a common misconception that street politics is totally restricted to dealing with the utterly mundane and with low level issues and politics. It is of course part of it, but it is just as inevitable that the big national policies that are afterall implemented at a local level must also be contended with. 

Issues like police accountablity. or lack of it, identity politics in terms of funding, drugs, anti-social behaviour, gentrification, to name a few, which the IWCA have at one time or another either as activists or cllrs have had to address. Indeed for the most part it was the iWCA that put these items on the agenda themselves often to the horror of the local establishments; greens included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a common misconception that street politics is totally restricted to dealing with the utterly mundane and with low level issues and politics. It is of course part of it, but it is just as inevitable that the big national policies that are afterall implemented at a local level must also be contended with. </p>
<p>Issues like police accountablity. or lack of it, identity politics in terms of funding, drugs, anti-social behaviour, gentrification, to name a few, which the IWCA have at one time or another either as activists or cllrs have had to address. Indeed for the most part it was the iWCA that put these items on the agenda themselves often to the horror of the local establishments; greens included.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosa Simonetti</title>
		<link>http://www.iwca.info/?p=10141#comment-5098</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosa Simonetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, got carried away wih the zeros.  It's 3000 deaths per year which are attributed to London air pollution.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23684480-details/Boris+told:+Cut+air+pollution+to+save+3,000+deaths+a+year/article.do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, got carried away wih the zeros.  It&#8217;s 3000 deaths per year which are attributed to London air pollution.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23684480-details/Boris+told:+Cut+air+pollution+to+save+3,000+deaths+a+year/article.do" rel="nofollow">http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23684480-details/Boris+told:+Cut+air+pollution+to+save+3,000+deaths+a+year/article.do</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great nail-on-the-head article.

The IWCA pilot projects achieved great success in vindicating the theory with such a limited number of activists, and showing that door to door work talking to people about dog mess was more productive on election day than the global political issues of imperialism and war. 

Also, election day was always seen as a useful gauge of opinion and effectiveness of activist work, instead of being an end in itself.

Whatever people might say, it seems unlikely that there is a sleeping majority of 'left' voters just waiting for a new group to appear and save them from the BNP. The Left (if it exists in any real form) must realise that it is square one for the socialist project, and activists must win the respect of ordinary people in the same way that the BNP already has, through community work, listening and responding. I'm sure I heard of BNP meals being provided for pensioners at christmas, bring and buy sales, and this kind of thing.

This constant local activity IS socialism from the bottom up, and although it has worked for the fascists in the UK, in other countries like Italy it is the basis of strong socialist communities.

With the SWP also arguing for a new project for the left, I was suspicious, but its heartening to hear for once 'We do not believe we have all the answers or a perfect prescription for a left wing alternative;' calls for a federation instead of a party are perhaps a loosening of the hands around textbooks, and a recognition that the belligerant united front tactic might not be what's needed this time.

So what's the next step? Count me in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great nail-on-the-head article.</p>
<p>The IWCA pilot projects achieved great success in vindicating the theory with such a limited number of activists, and showing that door to door work talking to people about dog mess was more productive on election day than the global political issues of imperialism and war. </p>
<p>Also, election day was always seen as a useful gauge of opinion and effectiveness of activist work, instead of being an end in itself.</p>
<p>Whatever people might say, it seems unlikely that there is a sleeping majority of &#8216;left&#8217; voters just waiting for a new group to appear and save them from the BNP. The Left (if it exists in any real form) must realise that it is square one for the socialist project, and activists must win the respect of ordinary people in the same way that the BNP already has, through community work, listening and responding. I&#8217;m sure I heard of BNP meals being provided for pensioners at christmas, bring and buy sales, and this kind of thing.</p>
<p>This constant local activity IS socialism from the bottom up, and although it has worked for the fascists in the UK, in other countries like Italy it is the basis of strong socialist communities.</p>
<p>With the SWP also arguing for a new project for the left, I was suspicious, but its heartening to hear for once &#8216;We do not believe we have all the answers or a perfect prescription for a left wing alternative;&#8217; calls for a federation instead of a party are perhaps a loosening of the hands around textbooks, and a recognition that the belligerant united front tactic might not be what&#8217;s needed this time.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the next step? Count me in.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosa Simonetti</title>
		<link>http://www.iwca.info/?p=10141#comment-5094</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosa Simonetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm surprised at your response Napier and am interested to learn if you live in a major city in Britain and if so, what is your experience of it.   I have lived in inner London all my life where in excess of 300, 000 people a year die from diseases related to air pollution.  In addition to an epidemic of asthma in inner London, there is also emerging a serious and debilitating disease referred to as multiple chemical sensitivity which has recently been recognised by the World Health Organisation which is believed now to be caused by irreparable damage to the autonomic nervous system by environmental pollutants acting as neurological toxins which is now associated with an additional condition referred to as electro sensitivity.  As research continues into the effects of environmental pollutants upon humans, a number of additional diseases are now suspected to be attributed to environmental toxicology amongst which are Myalgic Encephalopathy and chronic fatigue syndrome and additional diseases are expected to emerge as research continues.

Irrespective of environmental pollutants, we have historically, as a socio economic class, have had a reduced life expectancy in comparison to other socio economic classes. And now, with the advent of the reverberations of environmental pollutants beginning to be identified, I expect the historical trend of reduced life span to not only continue but begin to accelerate in the working class because many are still detained in cities by poverty and social immobility where the environmental pollutants which are attributable to such conditions are concentrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised at your response Napier and am interested to learn if you live in a major city in Britain and if so, what is your experience of it.   I have lived in inner London all my life where in excess of 300, 000 people a year die from diseases related to air pollution.  In addition to an epidemic of asthma in inner London, there is also emerging a serious and debilitating disease referred to as multiple chemical sensitivity which has recently been recognised by the World Health Organisation which is believed now to be caused by irreparable damage to the autonomic nervous system by environmental pollutants acting as neurological toxins which is now associated with an additional condition referred to as electro sensitivity.  As research continues into the effects of environmental pollutants upon humans, a number of additional diseases are now suspected to be attributed to environmental toxicology amongst which are Myalgic Encephalopathy and chronic fatigue syndrome and additional diseases are expected to emerge as research continues.</p>
<p>Irrespective of environmental pollutants, we have historically, as a socio economic class, have had a reduced life expectancy in comparison to other socio economic classes. And now, with the advent of the reverberations of environmental pollutants beginning to be identified, I expect the historical trend of reduced life span to not only continue but begin to accelerate in the working class because many are still detained in cities by poverty and social immobility where the environmental pollutants which are attributable to such conditions are concentrated.</p>
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		<title>By: Napier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Napier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosa Simonetti

'Your comment posted in the current context of the ecological threat to our habitat and survival as a species reads to me as naive.'

My own experience of things tells me that working / lower class people and council tenants are by and large not interested in environmental issues. Global warming or peak oil are rarely high on their agenda. Few can afford organic or natural food as they are more concerned how to feed their family on 30 quid a week. In fact, many don't even bother to use recycling facilities and sling all their rubbish in the same bin destined for landfill. Even the kids show a stronger preference for footie or PS2 games than saving planet earth.

The Greens have succeeded in working / lower class areas by focusing and campaigning on local issues that affect the people and promoting policies on economic and financial reform, rather than abstract issues such as global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosa Simonetti</p>
<p>&#8216;Your comment posted in the current context of the ecological threat to our habitat and survival as a species reads to me as naive.&#8217;</p>
<p>My own experience of things tells me that working / lower class people and council tenants are by and large not interested in environmental issues. Global warming or peak oil are rarely high on their agenda. Few can afford organic or natural food as they are more concerned how to feed their family on 30 quid a week. In fact, many don&#8217;t even bother to use recycling facilities and sling all their rubbish in the same bin destined for landfill. Even the kids show a stronger preference for footie or PS2 games than saving planet earth.</p>
<p>The Greens have succeeded in working / lower class areas by focusing and campaigning on local issues that affect the people and promoting policies on economic and financial reform, rather than abstract issues such as global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosa Simonetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosa Simonetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe you are a bourgeois Greenman which explains much regarding your politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe you are a bourgeois Greenman which explains much regarding your politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosa Simonetti</title>
		<link>http://www.iwca.info/?p=10141#comment-5079</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosa Simonetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Napier: Your comment posted in the current context of the ecological threat to our habitat and survival as a species reads to me as naive.

Greenman:  Bookchin was, I believe, an anarcho syndicalist and a libertarian socialist, which is a curious choice of author for an individual, such as yourself,  in a working class forum as both anarcho syndicalism and a libertarian socialism reflect bourgeois ideology and your comment: “ I have found many of those preaching anarcho primitivism, online or in person, to be completely out of touch with reality.” is increasingly curious as it is from an assumed member of the working class who endorses books in support of bourgeois liberal theory which originated centuries ago and has no relevance today. 

However, in response to your comment above, may I advise you  I am not, in fact, out of touch with reality and in response to your additional comment which claims: “Transition Towns and the Transition movement are an entirely different thing and most of those involved would not thank you for trying to link a rational attempt to work out strategies to cope with coming energy crises, climate change and peak oil with the mock-radical student-philosophical intellectual masturbation that passes for Primitivist “theory” may I also advise  it has been my experience that these organisations have welcomed and respect my opinions upon anarcho primitivism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Napier: Your comment posted in the current context of the ecological threat to our habitat and survival as a species reads to me as naive.</p>
<p>Greenman:  Bookchin was, I believe, an anarcho syndicalist and a libertarian socialist, which is a curious choice of author for an individual, such as yourself,  in a working class forum as both anarcho syndicalism and a libertarian socialism reflect bourgeois ideology and your comment: “ I have found many of those preaching anarcho primitivism, online or in person, to be completely out of touch with reality.” is increasingly curious as it is from an assumed member of the working class who endorses books in support of bourgeois liberal theory which originated centuries ago and has no relevance today. </p>
<p>However, in response to your comment above, may I advise you  I am not, in fact, out of touch with reality and in response to your additional comment which claims: “Transition Towns and the Transition movement are an entirely different thing and most of those involved would not thank you for trying to link a rational attempt to work out strategies to cope with coming energy crises, climate change and peak oil with the mock-radical student-philosophical intellectual masturbation that passes for Primitivist “theory” may I also advise  it has been my experience that these organisations have welcomed and respect my opinions upon anarcho primitivism.</p>
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		<title>By: greenman</title>
		<link>http://www.iwca.info/?p=10141#comment-5077</link>
		<dc:creator>greenman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Bookchin's views of Primitivism.  In addition I have found many of those preaching it, online or in person, to be completely out of touch with reality.
Transition Towns and the Transition movement are an entirely different thing and most of those involved would not thank you for trying to link a rational attempt to work out strategies to cope with coming energy crises, climate change and peak oil with the mock-radical student-philosophical intellectual masturbation that passes for Primitivist "theory".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Bookchin&#8217;s views of Primitivism.  In addition I have found many of those preaching it, online or in person, to be completely out of touch with reality.<br />
Transition Towns and the Transition movement are an entirely different thing and most of those involved would not thank you for trying to link a rational attempt to work out strategies to cope with coming energy crises, climate change and peak oil with the mock-radical student-philosophical intellectual masturbation that passes for Primitivist &#8220;theory&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Napier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Napier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosa Simonetti 

'Are you or have you ever read any literature regarding anarcho primitivism or are you aware in transition???'

I have read it and find that most of it ends up being inappropriate solutions for nonexistent problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosa Simonetti </p>
<p>&#8216;Are you or have you ever read any literature regarding anarcho primitivism or are you aware in transition???&#8217;</p>
<p>I have read it and find that most of it ends up being inappropriate solutions for nonexistent problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosa Simonetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosa Simonetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In view of the IWCA's position with regard to multiculturalism, is the IWCA able to advise as to how many of its' members are from ethnic minorities in Britain and, if relevant, from which ethnic minority are their members from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In view of the IWCA&#8217;s position with regard to multiculturalism, is the IWCA able to advise as to how many of its&#8217; members are from ethnic minorities in Britain and, if relevant, from which ethnic minority are their members from?</p>
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