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	<description>Independent Working Class Association: Working Class Rule in Working Class Areas</description>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
		<link>http://www.iwca.info/?p=10146#comment-13978</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who doubts the veracity of this article on multicult and identity politics should take a long hard look at the sad state of the U.S. left, which far from being invigorated by Obama's election as many of them secretly hoped, now seems destined for even more marginality and irrelevance then before, if that is possible. And this in a period of economic crisis, the worst since the Depression, when you would think the left would be invigorated. Instead, it's a beginning of a non-stop melt-down.

Case in point: I went to an ostensibly left forum with Angela Davis. I heard about "feminist strategies to contest power in museum curating" (OK, so it was held at an art school) and Davis ramble incoherently about the oppression facing transpersons every time they have to fill out a form where gender is indicated. Not a word about the thousands of foreclosures and layoffs going on.

The result? While the left timidly wanted (and many still want) to give Obama "a chance", afraid of being seen as "racist," a new populist right has seized the rage and misdirected it in the Tea Party movement, an incoherent and unstable coalition which mingles genuine grievance with a peculiarly and oh-so typical American conspiracy and paranoia. Does this scenario sound familiar? It's exactly what the IWCA predicted would happen with Blair in 1997. And if I hadn't followed the IWCA discussion  at the time maybe I would have had the same illusions too. But I knew from your UK experience that the same thing would happen over here. As the saying you all put out went, "politics abhors a vacuum."

It's not that the conservative left is indifferent to the economic crisis; they will make the right noises.
But few of them are affected by it, since the liberal/left here is drawn almost exclusively from the more privileged and degreed upper middle class. It's an abstract sympathy from up high, not along side those affected, the response of what a hostile but not inaccurate critic referred to as "the gentry left," concerned about its PC lifestyles and consumer choices not "unglamorous" issues like class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who doubts the veracity of this article on multicult and identity politics should take a long hard look at the sad state of the U.S. left, which far from being invigorated by Obama&#8217;s election as many of them secretly hoped, now seems destined for even more marginality and irrelevance then before, if that is possible. And this in a period of economic crisis, the worst since the Depression, when you would think the left would be invigorated. Instead, it&#8217;s a beginning of a non-stop melt-down.</p>
<p>Case in point: I went to an ostensibly left forum with Angela Davis. I heard about &#8220;feminist strategies to contest power in museum curating&#8221; (OK, so it was held at an art school) and Davis ramble incoherently about the oppression facing transpersons every time they have to fill out a form where gender is indicated. Not a word about the thousands of foreclosures and layoffs going on.</p>
<p>The result? While the left timidly wanted (and many still want) to give Obama &#8220;a chance&#8221;, afraid of being seen as &#8220;racist,&#8221; a new populist right has seized the rage and misdirected it in the Tea Party movement, an incoherent and unstable coalition which mingles genuine grievance with a peculiarly and oh-so typical American conspiracy and paranoia. Does this scenario sound familiar? It&#8217;s exactly what the IWCA predicted would happen with Blair in 1997. And if I hadn&#8217;t followed the IWCA discussion  at the time maybe I would have had the same illusions too. But I knew from your UK experience that the same thing would happen over here. As the saying you all put out went, &#8220;politics abhors a vacuum.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that the conservative left is indifferent to the economic crisis; they will make the right noises.<br />
But few of them are affected by it, since the liberal/left here is drawn almost exclusively from the more privileged and degreed upper middle class. It&#8217;s an abstract sympathy from up high, not along side those affected, the response of what a hostile but not inaccurate critic referred to as &#8220;the gentry left,&#8221; concerned about its PC lifestyles and consumer choices not &#8220;unglamorous&#8221; issues like class.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.iwca.info/?p=10146#comment-13661</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't agree on accents. It was maybe true in the past but now there are plenty of bosses out there with regional accents. I work for Royal Mail and there are loads of the scumbags there. Managers who've 'worked their way up' and take great delight in bullying and harassing (and sacking) people with an accent and background not dissimilar to theirs. Meanwhile, I'm first generation Irish in Britain and so don't have much of an accent - yet I'd never do what they've done. 

Not sure what this has to with multiculturalism but there you go! :-)

Napier - The IWCA may be small at the moment but it is certainly not irrelevant. BNP activists may do some good local work but the long term vision is just garbage. There is an issue with Islam and the answer is total opposition to the Islamists, Sharia tribunals, ritual slaughter (and general exemptions for all religious law) and so on. It is not the BNP route of dovetailing the mainstream parties and press on the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree on accents. It was maybe true in the past but now there are plenty of bosses out there with regional accents. I work for Royal Mail and there are loads of the scumbags there. Managers who&#8217;ve &#8216;worked their way up&#8217; and take great delight in bullying and harassing (and sacking) people with an accent and background not dissimilar to theirs. Meanwhile, I&#8217;m first generation Irish in Britain and so don&#8217;t have much of an accent - yet I&#8217;d never do what they&#8217;ve done. </p>
<p>Not sure what this has to with multiculturalism but there you go! <img src='http://www.iwca.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Napier - The IWCA may be small at the moment but it is certainly not irrelevant. BNP activists may do some good local work but the long term vision is just garbage. There is an issue with Islam and the answer is total opposition to the Islamists, Sharia tribunals, ritual slaughter (and general exemptions for all religious law) and so on. It is not the BNP route of dovetailing the mainstream parties and press on the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: UK Fightback</title>
		<link>http://www.iwca.info/?p=10146#comment-13557</link>
		<dc:creator>UK Fightback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No need to resort to conspiracy theories to explain the "sudden" emergence of the EDL. The EDL is tiny as an actual organisation but draws street support from mobilising elements in football firms and groups like the BNP, NF and C18 etc - all of which have existed for DECADES - so no mystery there!

Just as the EDL wildly exaggerate the "threat" posed by idiots like Anjem Choudary, they also wildly exaggerate their own strength. At even their best turn-outs they've have been outnumbered at least 2 or even 3 to 1 by Anti-Fascists, the EDL drew TENS of supporters to protests in Swansea, Wrexham, Harrow and Glasgow, and the worst of their demos have been completely cancelled owing to total lack of support, ie - Newport. As to "state honey trap", again there's no need for conspiracy theories they're funded by internet tycoon Alan Lake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to resort to conspiracy theories to explain the &#8220;sudden&#8221; emergence of the EDL. The EDL is tiny as an actual organisation but draws street support from mobilising elements in football firms and groups like the BNP, NF and C18 etc - all of which have existed for DECADES - so no mystery there!</p>
<p>Just as the EDL wildly exaggerate the &#8220;threat&#8221; posed by idiots like Anjem Choudary, they also wildly exaggerate their own strength. At even their best turn-outs they&#8217;ve have been outnumbered at least 2 or even 3 to 1 by Anti-Fascists, the EDL drew TENS of supporters to protests in Swansea, Wrexham, Harrow and Glasgow, and the worst of their demos have been completely cancelled owing to total lack of support, ie - Newport. As to &#8220;state honey trap&#8221;, again there&#8217;s no need for conspiracy theories they&#8217;re funded by internet tycoon Alan Lake.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://www.iwca.info/?p=10146#comment-13480</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion is that the UK is one of the most class-ridden in the world. Urgh. I'm quite well-travelled and what George Bernard Shaw said is true "you tell what class an Englishman is as soon as he speaks" but elsewhere in other countries it's reigonal accents BUT these accents are not taken as representative of who is blue-collar and who isn't but just of what province you're from. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that the article here is very engaging but in other countries various societies work differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion is that the UK is one of the most class-ridden in the world. Urgh. I&#8217;m quite well-travelled and what George Bernard Shaw said is true &#8220;you tell what class an Englishman is as soon as he speaks&#8221; but elsewhere in other countries it&#8217;s reigonal accents BUT these accents are not taken as representative of who is blue-collar and who isn&#8217;t but just of what province you&#8217;re from. I suppose what I&#8217;m trying to say is that the article here is very engaging but in other countries various societies work differently.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Corr</title>
		<link>http://www.iwca.info/?p=10146#comment-13411</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Corr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Napier on 13 October said what the Bulgarian political elite said in the last few years of Communist Party rule, except that those ethno-cultural nationalists insisted that Pomaks* and Turks of ALL ages were to change their names to Christian Slav names or else lose entitlement to schooling, government employment and pensions, plus much more.

In a number of places like Kardjali and Ribnovo this idiocy led to bloodshed. Anyway, the upheaval in the USSR and the political change in Bulgaria led to an end to this silliness. 

Actually, the Greeks did the same in Greek Macedonia, insisting that Dimitri become Demetrios and so on.

An oddity: in the USA and elsewhere, some westerners like Omar Bradley and innumerable women called Leila, bear 'Muslim' names. Just a thought!

* Pomaks are blood-and-bone Slavs whose forbears converted to Islam voluntarily, or who were converted to Islam at the point of a scimitar, centuries ago. They live in the south of Bulgaria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Napier on 13 October said what the Bulgarian political elite said in the last few years of Communist Party rule, except that those ethno-cultural nationalists insisted that Pomaks* and Turks of ALL ages were to change their names to Christian Slav names or else lose entitlement to schooling, government employment and pensions, plus much more.</p>
<p>In a number of places like Kardjali and Ribnovo this idiocy led to bloodshed. Anyway, the upheaval in the USSR and the political change in Bulgaria led to an end to this silliness. </p>
<p>Actually, the Greeks did the same in Greek Macedonia, insisting that Dimitri become Demetrios and so on.</p>
<p>An oddity: in the USA and elsewhere, some westerners like Omar Bradley and innumerable women called Leila, bear &#8216;Muslim&#8217; names. Just a thought!</p>
<p>* Pomaks are blood-and-bone Slavs whose forbears converted to Islam voluntarily, or who were converted to Islam at the point of a scimitar, centuries ago. They live in the south of Bulgaria.</p>
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		<title>By: napier</title>
		<link>http://www.iwca.info/?p=10146#comment-13086</link>
		<dc:creator>napier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I'm concerned the IWCA is insignificant and irrelevant. Worst of all it carries the seeds of its own failure. The BNP isn't perfect, and is very crooked and underdeveloped in places (taxation policy, arrogant leadership), but it's the best infrastructure we have got at the moment. I shall not waste any more of my time with the IWCA in the foreseeable future as obviously they do not appreciate my advice and recommendations. I might call round again once your membership is in 4 figures and you have at least 20 elected councillors.

One final point. The BNP refrains from all this left-wing right-wing nonsense. We focus on policies, strategies, and most important of all, outcomes. From a technical point of view the BNP is a syncretic party but our members know that the general public has no time for such technical terms. What they want are solutions to their problems and they are more interested in how they can benefit from the BNP rather than where it is placed in the political spectrum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned the IWCA is insignificant and irrelevant. Worst of all it carries the seeds of its own failure. The BNP isn&#8217;t perfect, and is very crooked and underdeveloped in places (taxation policy, arrogant leadership), but it&#8217;s the best infrastructure we have got at the moment. I shall not waste any more of my time with the IWCA in the foreseeable future as obviously they do not appreciate my advice and recommendations. I might call round again once your membership is in 4 figures and you have at least 20 elected councillors.</p>
<p>One final point. The BNP refrains from all this left-wing right-wing nonsense. We focus on policies, strategies, and most important of all, outcomes. From a technical point of view the BNP is a syncretic party but our members know that the general public has no time for such technical terms. What they want are solutions to their problems and they are more interested in how they can benefit from the BNP rather than where it is placed in the political spectrum.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.iwca.info/?p=10146#comment-13067</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter:

"Give over napier you anti-semite - shame on the website for allowing this stuff"

You're right, we haven't been quick enough on the ball and we should have pulled him up on it before now.

Napier:

The comments section of this site is for discussion of the IWCA article in question. While dissenting views are welcomed (it's why you've been tolerated this long), it is not a platform for trolls and social inadequates with their own agenda to spout right-wing crap. You've already derailed the economic democracy thread with your garbage about home schooling, on this thread we've had your nonsense about a list of approved British names and now it's Zionists controlling the EDL. You can consider this your first yellow card. One more infraction and you're barred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter:</p>
<p>&#8220;Give over napier you anti-semite - shame on the website for allowing this stuff&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, we haven&#8217;t been quick enough on the ball and we should have pulled him up on it before now.</p>
<p>Napier:</p>
<p>The comments section of this site is for discussion of the IWCA article in question. While dissenting views are welcomed (it&#8217;s why you&#8217;ve been tolerated this long), it is not a platform for trolls and social inadequates with their own agenda to spout right-wing crap. You&#8217;ve already derailed the economic democracy thread with your garbage about home schooling, on this thread we&#8217;ve had your nonsense about a list of approved British names and now it&#8217;s Zionists controlling the EDL. You can consider this your first yellow card. One more infraction and you&#8217;re barred.</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi Svenson</title>
		<link>http://www.iwca.info/?p=10146#comment-13049</link>
		<dc:creator>Heidi Svenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry to get back on topic, but can I draw people's attention to the latest issue of Notes From the Borderland, which covers some of the same ground as the above on BNP strategy and support, and even mentions this site/article!

Check out   http://www.borderland.co.uk/preview_002.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry to get back on topic, but can I draw people&#8217;s attention to the latest issue of Notes From the Borderland, which covers some of the same ground as the above on BNP strategy and support, and even mentions this site/article!</p>
<p>Check out   <a href="http://www.borderland.co.uk/preview_002.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.borderland.co.uk/preview_002.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give over napier you anti-semite - shame on the website for allowing this stuff... 'Powerful Zionist group' indeed... jah Goebells, zey have tentacles everywhere'... you'll be on about the ZOG next... 

I've met the EDL and they are mix of classes but mostly working class, largely white, wholly disgruntled at the pass given to radical Islam in the uk... then again, who sensible wouldn't be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give over napier you anti-semite - shame on the website for allowing this stuff&#8230; &#8216;Powerful Zionist group&#8217; indeed&#8230; jah Goebells, zey have tentacles everywhere&#8217;&#8230; you&#8217;ll be on about the ZOG next&#8230; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met the EDL and they are mix of classes but mostly working class, largely white, wholly disgruntled at the pass given to radical Islam in the uk&#8230; then again, who sensible wouldn&#8217;t be?</p>
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		<title>By: napier</title>
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		<dc:creator>napier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another possibility is some powerful Zionist group. Israeli flags are prominently displayed at EDL demonstrations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another possibility is some powerful Zionist group. Israeli flags are prominently displayed at EDL demonstrations.</p>
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